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	<title>Comments on: The Eurovision</title>
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	<description>Sociology and other distractions</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
		<link>http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2003/05/24/the-eurovision/comment-page-1/#comment-1663</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Countries with no muscial tradition worth speaking of, such as Britain&quot;

I&#039;m working hard to fathom in what sense this could be true.  My guess is that it&#039;s the &quot;hoping to get a rise out of somebody&quot; sense.

(I have indeed watched a Eurovision Song Contest, in 1999.  Words failed me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Countries with no muscial tradition worth speaking of, such as Britain&#8221;</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m working hard to fathom in what sense this could be true.  My guess is that it&#8217;s the &#8220;hoping to get a rise out of somebody&#8221; sense.</p>

	<p>(I have indeed watched a Eurovision Song Contest, in 1999.  Words failed me.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2003/05/24/the-eurovision/comment-page-1/#comment-1664</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m working hard to fathom in what sense this could be true. My guess is that it&#039;s the &quot;hoping to get a rise out of somebody&quot; sense.

Well, maybe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m working hard to fathom in what sense this could be true. My guess is that it&#8217;s the &#8220;hoping to get a rise out of somebody&#8221; sense.</p>

	<p>Well, maybe</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only exceptions to this rule are ABBA, who won in 1974 with Waterloo and Celine Dion, who was imported from Quebec by the Swiss in the 1980s.&quot;

Not really. I can think of 2 others, both called Dana. The first Irish one had a memorable song &quot;All Kinds of Everything&quot; with highly parodyable lyrics; the second - Dana International - is an Israeli transexual and hence a source of shame to many of her compatriots.

And no, I can&#039;t bear to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The only exceptions to this rule are <span class="caps">ABBA</span>, who won in 1974 with Waterloo and Celine Dion, who was imported from Quebec by the Swiss in the 1980s.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Not really. I can think of 2 others, both called Dana. The first Irish one had a memorable song &#8220;All Kinds of Everything&#8221; with highly parodyable lyrics; the second &#8211; Dana International &#8211; is an Israeli transexual and hence a source of shame to many of her compatriots.</p>

	<p>And no, I can&#8217;t bear to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2003/05/24/the-eurovision/comment-page-1/#comment-1666</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, Dana. And now she&#039;s an MEP, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh yeah, Dana. And now she&#8217;s an <span class="caps">MEP</span>, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: David Weman</title>
		<link>http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2003/05/24/the-eurovision/comment-page-1/#comment-1667</link>
		<dc:creator>David Weman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, the IRISH Dana. I nearly fell off my chair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, the <span class="caps">IRISH </span>Dana. I nearly fell off my chair.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Nana Mouskouri went from Eurovision to the European Parliament, too. Dana, Nana - something fishy going on there.

And the nonentity thing only works recently. Sandy Shaw, Brotherhood of Man, Bucks Fizz, and Cliff Richard all had post-Eurovision careers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And Nana Mouskouri went from Eurovision to the European Parliament, too. Dana, Nana &#8211; something fishy going on there.</p>

	<p>And the nonentity thing only works recently. Sandy Shaw, Brotherhood of Man, Bucks Fizz, and Cliff Richard all had post-Eurovision careers.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2003/05/24/the-eurovision/comment-page-1/#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A factor in the disappearance of nonsense choruses was a rule change: performers used to have to sing in their native language but now everyone can use English.  

Another recent change is that some countries have abolished the anonymous juries and introduced phone voting.  I&#039;m not sure what effect this has had on the backscratching and backstabbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A factor in the disappearance of nonsense choruses was a rule change: performers used to have to sing in their native language but now everyone can use English.</p>

	<p>Another recent change is that some countries have abolished the anonymous juries and introduced phone voting.  I&#8217;m not sure what effect this has had on the backscratching and backstabbing.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2003/05/24/the-eurovision/comment-page-1/#comment-1670</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for anyone who was watching, the Austrian entry was everything that is good about Eurovision. Hilarious, and totally tongue in cheek. I&#039;m still laughing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And for anyone who was watching, the Austrian entry was everything that is good about Eurovision. Hilarious, and totally tongue in cheek. I&#8217;m still laughing.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Stross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Stross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a point of note, it&#039;s gone over to telephone voting throughout Europe -- you can vote for any country except your own, so no more weird politically gerrymandered votes.

It is, truly,  the height of kitsch. Strongly recommended for all Eurotrash fans. (Hey, does Eurotrash make it onto US network TV?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a point of note, it&#8217;s gone over to telephone voting throughout Europe&#8212;you can vote for any country except your own, so no more weird politically gerrymandered votes.</p>

	<p>It is, truly,  the height of kitsch. Strongly recommended for all Eurotrash fans. (Hey, does Eurotrash make it onto US network TV?)</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got to see how the UK is described on the Eurovision web page--it&#039;s hilarious:

&quot;The United Kingdom is an excellent union of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The English Channel and the Straits of Dover separate England from France. To the West there are the Atlantic Ocean and the Irish Sea, to the North - the North Sea. Great Britain is home to 59,247,000 people. It is often said that London, the capital city of the UK, is a place of endless fog. The fog has been described in countless books and films, but the people of Britain themselves say that its all a myth.&quot;

http://www.eurovision.tv/public/participants/23548.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;ve got to see how the UK is described on the Eurovision web page&#8212;it&#8217;s hilarious:</p>

	<p>&#8220;The United Kingdom is an excellent union of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The English Channel and the Straits of Dover separate England from France. To the West there are the Atlantic Ocean and the Irish Sea, to the North &#8211; the North Sea. Great Britain is home to 59,247,000 people. It is often said that London, the capital city of the UK, is a place of endless fog. The fog has been described in countless books and films, but the people of Britain themselves say that its all a myth.&#8221;</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.eurovision.tv/public/participants/23548.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eurovision.tv/public/participants/23548.html</a></p>
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